EXCLUSIVE: Edward Snowden Tells It All: 'I Was Trained as a Spy'
Snowden defended his expertise in portions of the interview
that aired at 6:30 p.m. ET on Nightly News. The extended, wide-ranging
interview with Williams, his first with a U.S. television network, airs
Wednesday at 10 p.m. ET on NBC.
“I was trained as a spy in sort of the
traditional sense of the word, in that I lived and worked undercover overseas —
pretending to work in a job that I’m not — and even being assigned a name that
was not mine,” Snowden said in the interview.
Snowden described himself as a technical expert who has
worked for the United States at high levels, including as a lecturer in a
counterintelligence academy for the Defense Intelligence Agency and undercover
work for the CIA and National Security Agency.
“But I am a technical specialist. I am a
technical expert,” he said. “I don’t work with people. I don’t recruit agents.
What I do is I put systems to work for the United States. And I’ve done that at
all levels from — from the bottom on the ground all the way to the top.”
Last year, when Snowden began leaking details
of NSA spying programs and left the country, administration officials played
down his work history, using descriptions such as “systems administrator” to
describe his role at the agency. In June, President Barack Obama himself told
reporters: “No, I’m not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old
hacker.”
Snowden told Williams that those terms were
“misleading.”
In the Defense Intelligence Agency job, Snowden
said, he “developed sources and methods for keeping our information and people
secure in the most hostile and dangerous environments around the world.”
“So when they say I’m a low-level systems
administrator, that I don’t know what I’m talking about, I’d say it’s somewhat
misleading,” he said.
Defense Intelligence Agency confirmed to NBC News that
Snowden, as a contractor, had spoken at three of their conferences. Two
intelligence sources tell NBC that Snowden worked for the CIA at an overseas
station in IT and communications.
The CIA declined to comment on Snowden’s
employment or his role at the agency, instead referring to the testimony of
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, specifically his statement
before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in January of this year:
“Snowden claims that he’s won and that his
mission is accomplished. If that is so, I call on him and his accomplices to
facilitate the return of the remaining stolen documents that have not yet been
exposed, to prevent even more damage to U.S. security.”
The NBC News interview was conducted last week
in Moscow after months of preparation. Russia has granted Snowden temporary
asylum.
Williams has described the interview as “months
in the making and cloaked in the secrecy of his life as a fugitive living in
exile overseas.”
Snowden, now 30, left the government and later
worked later worked for private intelligence contractors inside NSA outposts,
including in Japan and Hawaii.
While working for the contractors, he downloaded up to 1.7
million secret documents about U.S. intelligence-gathering and partnerships
with foreign allies, according to U.S. officials, including some that revealed
the extent of data collection from U.S. telephone records and Internet
activity.
The United States charged him with espionage
and revoked his passport. Snowden flew to Moscow but was unable to continue to
Latin America because he no longer had a passport.
Among the revelations in the documents taken by
Snowden was the NSA’s bulk collection of phone and Internet metadata from U.S.
users, spying on personal communications of foreign leaders, and the NSA’s
ability to tap undersea fiber-optic cables and siphon data.
Snowden
documents also were the basis for three exclusive NBC News digital reports,
on Jan. 27, Feb. 4 and Feb. 7, as well as a report on Nightly News, documenting
operations
by British cyber spies to monitor YouTube and other social media services
and to use an
array of “dirty tricks” against nations, hackers,
terror groups, suspected criminals and arms dealers.
Obama appointed a review board that criticized
the domestic data collection. In March the president recommended ending bulk
domestic metadata collection, and last week the House passed a bill to end it.
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